It’s a hard thing, watching something you create being taken over by someone else. It’s even harder when you’re not able to sit through the process with them, waiting for the inevitable crash and burn you’re so sure will happen. Luckily for writer Emma Donoghue, she never felt that with Room. Passionate about who she was working with from the beginning, her and director Lenny Abrahamson brought her acclaimed book to screen beautifully, creating a separate work of art that calls back to the book faithfully without adapting every single moment.
To recap a little bit before you dive into the interview, Room is about a mother and her son who are trapped in a shed that’s owned by a man called “Old Nick.” The boy, Jack (played by Jacob Tremblay), isn’t aware there’s an outside world until his Ma (Brie Larson) tries to convince him of it on his fifth birthday. Ultimately stubborn, Jack refuses to believe his mother’s fables and instead tries to find solace in the comfort of “Room.” However, when things start getting more dangerous for Ma and Jack, Ma has to convince her son to risk his own life to save both of theirs.
Room is expanding nationwide this weekend, November 6. It’s hot on the awards season trail, so make sure you catch it for it’s easily one of the best buzziest films of the year.
How daunting was it seeing your book turned into a film?
Emma Donoghue: You know by the time I saw it on screen I was just so happy, it was like the birth of a child, but that’s because I had been fully involved. I think for writers who just sell the rights and walk away, it must be very, very weird for them to not be in touch with it through all those evolutions and to suddenly see it different. For me it’s been a great, great pleasure. Doing the adaptation in itself I found really interesting because fiction has certain things it does well, like psychology, you know the moment by moment of what a five-year-old might be thinking, and film does other things well. There’s a lot that’s unspoken in film, so there are lots of scene in the movie where we’re looking at Jacob Tremblay’s face really close up, and you don’t quite know what he’s thinking, but you bring your own stuff to it. You fill in with your own thoughts of what you remember about childhood, whereas in a book things are more spelled out, so I think film has enormous advantages.
Having read the book, it’s all from Jack’s perspective, but in the movie you don’t get to read his mind.
Donoghue: He’s in every scene, but we didn’t want a GoPro Camera on his head or something. We didn’t want it to feel gimmicky.
So how difficult was it adapting your book then, from going inside his head to outside of it?
Donoghue: It would have been very hard if it was about a child in a room alone, but in fact the book is full of dialogue. Everything about Jack spills over in conversation and play with his mother, so I thought we could show a lot of his comfortable inhabiting of Room. I thought we could show that a lot through him washing up, him playing with things, him making crafts, him talking to his Ma…I could imply a lot of that. In the first draft I didn’t use any voice over, because I really wanted to tell the story through the camera, through cinema. I think voice over can be a bit of a crutch; so we only added voice over I think in the last draft when the director said he wanted some voice overs to kind of punctuate it, but we didn’t want to rely on them for giving the child’s thoughts or for explaining things.
How did you choose the moments you wanted voice overs for?
Donoghue: Oh good point. Often it would be moments when Jack would be on his own. You know like there’s one scene where Ma’s depressed for the day and puts her head under the pillow or when she is carted off to a hospital by the paramedics, so often it’s a moment when Jack’s left alone. But it wasn’t just that he was on his own so we needed to say what he was thinking, it was more like those were the kind of breaks between sequences as well. I think we used the voice over kinds of structurally.
One of the most distinct things that popped out to me while reading your book was that Jack was nearsighted, since he never had to use muscles to see far. I love how you still get that fact from the film through the camera, through visual storytelling, rather than exposition.
Donoghue: Yeah, yeah his eyes take a while to develop those muscles.
Did you write that into the script?
Donoghue: You know I can’t remember, because it’s been such a constant back and forth of creativity. You see Lenny, the director, he was always going back to the book as well. It’s not like I just turned in a script and he worked from there, it was more like the two of us were always trying to find a way to make the same kind of magic happen in film as in the book. He had this tattered copy of the book and he’s always go back to that. Some things I changed first thing, like in my first draft of my screenplay I gave the child short hair, because I thought a mainstream cinema audience is going to be so distracted by the boy with long hair. I thought, “Oh, never mind, I’ll go for short hair,” and Lenny was like, “No, let’s go back to long hair, because that’s a great way to sort of mark the child as a bit different.”
I loved that Jacob and Brie had the same hair, it connected them.
Donoghue: He thinks he’s in a world of two people, so he sees himself as of Ma, he’s her species. He hasn’t really entered the gendered world, where you line up as boys versus girls, you know. So when he wants to cut his hair it’s sort of like the moment he accepts the terms of our society. “Boys have short hair, I’ll work with this and transfer my power to Ma.”
You obviously worked very close with Lenny. How was it like sharing a story that was originally only your own?
Donoghue: I loved it. I didn’t have the typical experience where’s there’s lots of executives. I didn’t get alienated from my own work like the film process can so often do to writers. It was very hands on. Lenny would fly over to Canada where I live and we’d sit around the kitchen table, you know. He’d give me lots of notes and I’d do another draft. I’ve always enjoyed the rewriting process, even with my editors, say I’d do at least three drafts for all my novels. So I really love it when people ask the questions and I come up with more writing and we go back and forth like that. I think I was sort of uniquely lucky in how much of a one-to-one working relationship with the director I was allowed. There was no endpoint to that too, because I’d come and visit set and I’d whisper things in his ear during lunchtime, or he’d email me to say, “We need a few more lines.” There’s no finished point with the script, you just keep on going until the film’s made.
I can imagine once the book was released you had a lot of people vying for the rights. You also mentioned last night at the Q&A that you had emailed Lenny back-and-forth for a while before agreeing to it.
Donoghue: Yeah, he wrote me this ten-page letter – it was amazing. In the film world people are usually cautious, and you hear indirectly through somebody’s agent that maybe they’re a little bit interested. It’s all a bit of a game. People are very careful not to put their cards on the table. They don’t want to expose themselves and say, “I want this.” Whereas Lenny being a less well-known director at the time, he’d only done two films, he wrote me this really honest ten-page letter saying exactly what he felt was going on in the book and I agreed with every word he wrote, and then saying how he’d like to make it into a film and exactly what he would do. He wasn’t talking about casting or money or any of that stuff – he was talking about how he’d use the camera. He basically said, “I want to do it pretty much like the book. I don’t want to make any radical changes to turn it into a more typical Hollywood shaped film.” He was very happy with the two-part structure and the escaping in the middle. He was just not scared of any odd aspects. We had a first meeting and I said, “Is anybody going to die at the end of the film? Because in your first two films somebody dies at the end,” and he said, “No death – I swear!” I asked if he’d keep in the breast-feeding and he said, “I promise!”
Was there a part that you cut out that you wished could have made it into the film, but you knew it wouldn’t work deep down?
Donoghue: Yeah, there are a few. One part of Ma’s backstory in the book is that stillbirth. I kept that in the script until a very late stage, but at a certain point lots of people felt like it was harking back to an additional tragedy and at that point in the movie we want the journey to be upward, you know? In a book there’s just so much time for little things. In the book when you hear about the stillbirth for a page or two it’s a sad loop, and then you move onto something else, but in a movie you always have to be thinking of the overall story. It could have been a real downer if we brought in more additional sorrow.
Which is kind of what I feel a lot of adaptations just miss. Movies are about the endgame in the story and the linear path to it, versus in a book where you can have so many other things going on, so many extra characters.
Donoghue: The first thing I did, for instance, was to decide Ma wouldn’t have a brother and his family anymore, because we didn’t need him. It’s enough to be meeting three different grandparent figures.
Versus meeting a brother and his wife and his kids.
Donoghue: Exactly.
So it sounds like you were on set a lot. What’s one of your fondest memories from set?
Donoghue: Well it’s funny, when people are really well known actors you sort of assume they’ll be off in their trailer alone saying, “Don’t talk to me,” you know? So my first day on set I was in the craft services wagon or trailer and I was failed to use the coffee machine. No milk was coming out of the tube. Suddenly there’s Brie Larson beside me saying, “Oh, I know how to fix that,” and she’s getting milk out of the fridge and she’s fixing the coffee machine for me and I thought, “Wow, you’re not putting on any princess airs, are you?” She was just incredibly down to earth and likable and kind. I think when you have a child in every scene everyone has to behave well. You can’t afford for any adults to be childish.
I’ve also noticed outside the film Brie and Jacob have a very close relationship and I think that’s really sweet. Do you feel like this experience created a close relationship with someone, Lenny by any chance?
Donoghue: My closest working relationship was with Lenny, yeah. We had about two years of back-and-forth on the script before anyone else was involved. Also Ed, Ed Guiney, Lenny’s producing partner. They’d been friends since college. Ed is just the opposite of what you’d imagine a producer to be. You kind of imagine producers to be “big ego, big cigar.” Ed is so low key, unobtrusive, and helpful. He’ll run off and get you a cup of coffee. He’ll act like he’s the coffee boy, but he’s running the show. He’s actually an extremely powerful producer now, but he just doesn’t show off at all. He’s always trying to help, facilitate, and get people together in good working relationships. He was a real treat as well.